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Beauty Unfolding

Here goes a hello from Rose Ridge, Olive Hill, Kentucky. I really am at a loss for words. There's so much to say, but the words don't fit. Maybe if I share a bit of myself, perhaps someone might be able to understand just where I'm going with this. I am Wazhazhe Lakota/Dakota. Krishna Consciousness is not totally new to me, moreso, Self Realization Fellowship, which was introduced by a college professor several years ago. Through a series of events, and being at the right place at the right time, I find myself being reintroduced. There were visits to the temple in the city where I was visiting. I feel it was a time when a seed finally breaks through the soil and begins to reach for the sun. I am a simple person and see things in a simple way. And so, there comes the questioning. Is this right? Is this where I belong? Is this something I am supposed to learn and apply within my own life, within the teachings of my ancestors? I returned to the temple and asked, "Is this where you want me?" I stood there, feeling the chill of the floor on the bottoms of my feet. A small voice from somewhere told me to sit. But there weren't any chairs or benches. Sitting directly on the floor was an impossible task. My body was ravaged with arthritis after recovering from sepsis. And again there was this feeling and desire that I should sit and pray. I looked around to see where there might be a place to pull myself from off of the floor. I saw none. Finally I gave in and managed to get myself to the floor. YES, I did belong there. I needed to be there. For the first time in ten+ years, there was no pain. And when I was ready to leave, I made it up off of the floor as easy as could be. How does someone who has so little physically show appreciation? And the answer came, "Pray." Praying was not something foreign to me. But there needed to be something else. There came the thought of the mahamantra, speaking it soon became a chant and then became a song. I'm not a singer, but this beautiful song finds its way from my lips. And as well for the first time in a long time, I feel happy. This beautiful song finds its way over my lips in the morning after praying with the canunpa wakan. And then again in the evening while the sun is setting. It's beautiful and it's unfolding right in front of me. Haribol

What's Happening?

Hare Krishna Jan and Please, Anyone who might be able to offer an answer. Is it common during the chanting of the mahamantra over extended periods of time for the smell of ether to occur? It seems that as soon as I stop and get up to go to another room in the cabin, the smell ceases as well. What, if any, is the meaning or presence of ether when chanting or meditating?

ether

The subtle element 'akash' is translated as 'ether' in our and other books but you probably mean diethyl ether used before as anaesthetic, right? I haven't heard of a similar occurence.
I can only think of one possible association - unusual smells are one of symptoms of subtle entities's presence. They could be attracted by the chanting. The quality of the smell tells of the nature of the entity (sattvika, rajasika or tamasika).

Hari Hari
ys Jan

Thank You

Hare Krishna Jan,
Thank you for your answer. Now there are three more words for me to research. I live on a farm. The majority of the farms in thi area are hay farms, and yes, plenty of cows everywhere. There are no flowers blooming in this area this time of year. Otherwise there's an abundance of honeysuckle, sweetgrass and morning glories. There is a flower smell present as well, but more along the lines of magnolia. There are no magnolia trees here at all. I'll get busy looking up the three words you mentioned. And thank you again.
Hari Hari

Charlie

gunas

You're welcome. For the three gunas see esp. the Gita ch. 14 and 17. This Java applet gives a summary overview:

http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/gunas.htm

Hari Hari
ys Jan

welcome

and thanks for your experience. You certainly do belong here.
As far as the relationship of Lakota and Vedic tradition goes, please compare the Cosmic Buffalo from the Lakota story of Ptesan-wi, the White Buffalo Woman, with the Dharma Bull from the Srimad Bhagavatam 1.16.
I wish you to realize in this life that Khoda (Bengali: Lord) is our real koda (Dakota: friend). 8)

Hari Hari
ys Jan

Govardhan Lila

Hare krishna,

I came across a beautiful article from thought of the week,"Govardhan lila". Lord Krishna talks about Kharma, worshiping cows that give us food products and worshiping nature that protects us, about Indra. I felt all of these teachings of Lord Krishna helps us understand how and why we are different from Abrahamic religions. Jan, could you please tell me where I can find the story of sisupala. It is really sad that most Hindus do not know what is written in Gita, how meaningful it is, what our responsibilities are.

Vinaya

food

You can find quite some vegetarian references in the Bible too, e.g. Daniel 1. More: http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/bhaktiyoga/change.htm#2

Killing of Sisupala is in SB 10.74. See also SB 7.1,10, 10.52-54,60 etc.

Hari Hari
ys Jan

Sisupala

Hare Krishna,

Thank you so much Jan.

Vinaya

Thank You

Hare Krishna Jan,
Thank you for the welcome. This has really become something beyond words. I was watching a video of the Kirtaniyas and Vijay Krshna said, "How do you describe the sweetness of sugar o someone who has never tasted it?" His words are becoming more and more clear with each passing day. For myself, I am having no difficlty at all in bringing the two teachings together. In this short period of time and with whatresearch I have been able to do, I believe that the two were at one time "one" and together. So many events of daily living which would under regular cicumstances put me into a rage, are somehow now mystically transformed into stepping stones, crossing muddied water to the place where the chanting and singing diminish all negativity. It is a true blessing being able to actually see the duality of things, and as a result, turn even the most severe instances into moments of happiness. It feels rather odd being so ignorant about something so beautiful. But I do feel that the true knowledge will present itself with prayer and endurance.
As far a comparing Pte Ska Win and that of the Dharma Bull, I already have my own ideas that thy are the one and same, simply presented perhaps in different forms so that understanding could be had.
I had a dream several years ago. In the dream I was in a place where there was nothing but light. I couldn't tell the floor from the ceiling, or walls or boundaries. It was just light. A woman approached me and took me by the arm. We never spoke using our mouths, but there seemed to be something of a telepathic communicaton. I looked at her and thought, "This is Pte Ska Win." She smiled kindly. I was lead to a table which was shaped like a cresent moon. There were elders of the Lakota People as well as noted teachers, holy people of "Krishna Consciosness." I was able to recognize a few of them from pictures I had seen. My immediate thought was that this was the last judgement. The woman left from my side and walked clockwise to the rear of the table where stood an individual who I perceived to be the Christ person. I was going to ask them to allow me to come back. I have two daughters. But then I thought better of it. My life has been a series of events created out of my own choices. I deserved whatever they decided to bestow on me. They spoke in unison saying, "We're very happy with how far you've come. Now there's one more test." I was immediately awakened by the flash of lightening and the sound of thunder. It was early morning and the sky was as clear as could be. I layed there, unable to move and realized that I wasn't breathing. I remember seeing myself near the foot of the bed and slowly approaching my own body. It was as if I floated back into myself. Just what the test is, I'm still uncertain. But there was a similar experience my last visit to the temple. I was sitting there praying and suddenly there was a ball of light coming from, seemingly, between my eyes. It was connected by a thin thread of light. It went into the one area of the temple. Then immdiately I was pulled by that thin thread of light to the place where the ball of light was. I never saw what was in the room. Everything was light. And then the whole event simply reversed itself. There were musicians there in the temple. I heard the most awesome humming, but it wasn't coming from the musicians.
Now I should spend some time reading what other new people have to say. Sometimes the answers to un-wordable questions are found in the questions of others.
Humbly, blessings, uncountable to you,
Tache Uste--Lame Deer

Thanks for your nice reply,

Thanks for your nice reply, Tache Uste.
That white light is Brahman, an aspect of God, and your experiences are examples of OBE.
Do Lakotas also know chakras like Hopis do?

Hari Hari
ys Jan

Chakras

Howah, that's a trific question Jan. To tell you the truth, I really don't know. I've never heard the term chakras before, other than in seeing a few videos. I believe that somewhere along the lines, someone had some familiarity with these things. And it very well might be that it would be something specific to a particular band from a long time ago. I feel that there are a good number of the ceremonies no longer fully intact. The loss of things came about with the "normal" schools. There are a good mny people who spend a great deal of time in prayer, hoping to receive the knowledge which was once, Hmmm, how shoul it be said?, driven underground, and then the holy people not having anyone to pass these things on to. I am of the Wazhazhe Band, which hs two translations, one meaning Children of the Sun, and the other, They Bathe. LOL The latter comes from an ancient ceremony of going to the water, flowing water, first thing in the morning to greet the day and again at sunset. I don't know of a lot of people who keep with this tradition. Of the Wazhazhe there are 21 gens, like clans. Each had a specific ceremony which each lead to the greater ceremony. The keeping of calendars, planetary movements, and uniquely, fluid movements, te fluids in the body which maintain balance and healing. I know very little about the Hopi, but their near neighbors, I am more familiar, the Navajo. As a matter of fact, there are ancient ties to the Navajo and the Jemez Pueblo. I know of a ceremony where an individual lies flat and the body is "combed", specifically the chest and abdominal area. I was listening to Paramaansa Nitanyanda yesterday and the use of sound for healing, more specifically, chanting, or as some people refer to it as prayer songs.
Thank you for your reply, and especially shedding light on the experiences. Oh, there is an ancient term used to describe an individual who woul be considered a holy person. These people emit a blue hued light, I suppose like a aura. I've personally seen this before, and in each instance in my experiences it was with people from the South, below the Rio Grande River. It's like their skin has a bluish hue, but they do not hve cardiac problems. LOL They wake up praying and go to sleep praying. Their entire life is one continuous prayer.
Now I have something more to research, Brahman. I like that word. The area where I live, collectively is known as Buffalo Trace. And, well, the Lakota are also known as the Buffalo Nation. I heard a story once where some people were forced by whatever means to leave from their home. They were at a place where there was no food. A buffalo was there and they were going to kill it and eat it. The buffalo spoke to them and asked that its life be spared. In return, the buffalo would lead them to a place where there was an abundance of food and water. It was agreed upon. But somewhere along the course of time, someone started killing the buffalo. Of the Lakota thre are seven fires, Scatters Their Own, Burnt Thighs, Blackfoot, Two Kettles, Friends Without Bows, Planters By The Water and Camps Near The End. I like to think at some point in time, these names came about as a way of life, something like a huge feast of various fruits and vegetables. Especially in knowing a good many of the emergence stories, in most every instance the animal(s) were allowed to live. My own name, family name, Tache Uste--Lame Deer comes from an individual who had the unique gift of communicating with animals. He came across a woman and her baby. They were starving and col weather was coming. He saw a deer in a stand of trees. He asked the deer if it would offer its life to spare the lives of the woman and her child. He wa told no. He took his knife and cut into his own thigh. He was going to chew his own flesh and spit the juices and nutrients into the baby's mouth. A mysterious wind came and blew a huge limb out of a tree. The limb fell on the deer and killed it. The fellow skinned the deer, took care of it in a good way, took care of the woman and her child until the warm weather returned. Where he had cut into his own flesh caused him to walk with a limp the rest of his life. So, he was given the name of Lame Deer.
Thank you again for your reply and the stimulus for more research.

Haribol

Tache Uste

Thanks, pretty interesting.

Thanks, pretty interesting. The thing about chakras is mentioned in Book of the Hopi by Frank Waters.

Are you connected with the Lakota elder Lame Deer featured in the book American Indian Myths and Legends by R. Erdoes and A. Ortiz?

That deer story reminded me of the story of king Sibi who was tested by devas, changing into birds. He offered to feed one of them with his own flesh to protect the other one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibi_(king)

How does your tradition view taking stories from other tribes? I got an impression that tribes guard their own traditions closely and wouldn't do it. Yet another person recently claimed that they did often borrow stories from other tribes.

Thanks in advance.

Hari Hari
ys Jan

Dream Keeper

There is an awesome movie by this name. It is a grandfather telling is grandson the old stories, and they are from various tribes. I've seen the movie. It's really terrific with some pretty incredible lessons in it.

Stories And Elders

Howah Jan. As far as the Lame Deer you are mentioning, ther is a strong likelihood. There aren't that many of us. I'm not familiar with the ook you've mntioned. If you can remember any first names. Richard Erdoes was friends with my uncle and grandfather, but I never knew Richard or any of my father's people. My mother didn't allow any contact with my father or his relatves.
The taking of stories from other tribes? Now there's a ghod question. As far as"taking" then, I don't think thats such a good thing. But people often sit and tell stories, a time of sharing. A good many of the lessons for life are found in the stories. But someone might be so impressed with a story and ask, after having heard it, "Is it alright for me to tell ths story to someone else?" There is a phrase that is commonly heard, "Howah mitakuye oyasin--A voice from this flesh I am sending to you, and all of my relations" meaning, the person speaking is not actually alone in the speaking, but is including each and every relation, relative and everything connected to these. We are the livng, walking, breathing carrying on of our ancestors. Their DNA is passed to each of us. It can't be broken. It's like my hands, well, fingers are pecking out the letters here, and the thoughts are coming from the head which is on my shoilders, but it's not just me alone. It's all of my ancestors who were before me.
Have I helped, or just made things confusing? I've been told stories from various elders who would say were the story came from. My daughters, Evening Sun and Turquoise were named from a story I was told my a Mohican, but the story itself is Dine'.

Haribol
Tache Uste

Transfer of oral tradition

This is the book:
http://www.amazon.com/American-Indian-Legends-Richard-Erdoes/dp/0844669261

Ok to be more precise: I've read that elders met regularly and while telling their stories, they corrected and complemented each other's versions and thus the stories were preserved over generations. But if there would be mixing of stories, it'd be difficult to figure out which one, if any, is original to a particular tribe or a tribal group. (Iow, it's about the nature of the transfer which is very important in Vedic tradition, btw.) I guess you've answered it by mentioning that the sources were given. Thanks!

Hari Hari
ys Jan