Spiritual Morality

TEACHINGS OF QUEEN KUNTI
Chapter Ten, Pages 43-44:

Although the quantity of salt in a drop of seawater is not comparable to the quantity of salt in the ocean, the chemical composition of both the drop and the ocean is the same. Similarly, whatever we have in a minute quantity is present in its fullness in Krsna (janmady asya yatah). For example, we have a propensity to steal, to take things that belong to others. Why? Because Krsna has the same propensity. Unless the propensity to steal is present in the Absolute Truth, how can it be present in us? Krsna is known as "the butter thief." But Krsna's stealing and our stealing are different. Because we are materially contaminated, our stealing is abominable, whereas on the spiritual, absolute platform the same stealing is so nice that it is enjoyable. Mother Yasoda therefore enjoys Krsna's activities of stealing. This is the difference between material and spiritual.

Some Christians I know have a hard time with statements like this. Even though they are reminded by Saint Paul (Heb.12), and many examples in the Old Testament, that the Lord disciplines His children, they still can't except the idea that "evil" is part of the plan that He created for us. They seem to want to limit God to being "good" only, and yet they agree that God, by definition, is unlimited and beyond our conception. This kind of thinking manifests itself in other ways. For example, they will agree that God is bigger than any one religion, but bulk at the idea of Krishna being God.

The so-called morality and goodness of this material world is all bad, but in the spiritual world even so-called immorality is good. This we must understand.

The Jewish prophet Isaiah seems to agree with Srila Prabhupada when he states (Is.64:6), "All of us have been sinful; even our best actions are filthy through and through." (TEV)

For example, to dance with the wives of others at the dead of night is immoral, at least according to the Vedic civilization. Nonetheless, Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, ramya kacid upasana vrajavadhu-vargena ya kalpita: "There is no conception of worship better than that which was conceived by the damsels of Vrndavana." What was their conception? They wanted to love Krsna, at any risk. And this is never immoral.

Hare Bol Prabhus!
(original posting; slokaasitis.blogspot.com)

Hi.

God uses evil to work our good. He takes the "lemons" and creates "lemondade" on our behalf.

Plus, metaphysically, we live in a physical plane in the universe, which means that we must have opposites to operate.

If you look at physics, you know that there are various planes of existence that are stacked, one upon the other.

Christianity is where I started from. They are great. Then, the Gita plus basic physics (conceptual and basic) is bringing me to understand the greater infinity and power of God himself.

Hare Hare Rama Rama!! I am joyful!!!

Room Conversation 06-22-1974

Srila Prabhupada once had a conversation with a Christian monk in Germany (06-22-1974). I highly recommend listening to it to all my Christian friends. Here is a link:

http://slokaasitis.blogspot.com/p/audio-offerings.html?m=0

Hari Bol! - mr.squirrel99

evil from God...?

> they still can't except the idea that "evil" is part of the plan that He created for us. They seem to want to limit God to being "good" only, and yet they agree that God, by definition, is unlimited and beyond our conception. This kind of thinking manifests itself in other ways. For example, they will agree that God is bigger than any one religion, but bulk at the idea of Krishna being God.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace [national well-being] and I create [physical] evil (calamity); I am the Lord, Who does all these things. (Amplified)
http://www.studybibleforum.com/htm_php.php3?do=show_marg_and_gh&b=23&c=4...

evil: Hebrew "ra" (Strong: 7451b):
http://www.studybibleforum.com/htm_php.php3?do=verse_search&start=0&srch...

Compare to SB 4.8.2-5.

Krishna is harder to accept for Abrahamic people than Vishnu (5 articles):
http://www.truthofgodinstitute.com/documents/46.html

Hari Hari
ys Jan

Hi.

I kind of see your point. Vishnu is a protector and we have devas who are like angels and that connects to more of the Abrahamic faith.

The semi-lion figure might correlate to the "Lion of Judah" or "Aslan" in C.S. Lewis and Narnia.

BUT.........

(It is all the same anyway with differing incarnations)...There is a totality in Krishna. I know that I did say that the picture of Krishna bothers me because as we know, I was brought up as a Protestant. BUT I was also brought up Episcopal and that did lend itself to an "all father" figure AND psychologically, my own father was distant, so..........

I am warming up to Krishna slowly and I can feel Krishna working in my life--it is just subtle, but I see it.

In the Gita, it says that some people come to worship through hearing about Krishna and it is through the Gita that Krishna has educated and sensitized me to how he works and who he is.................Even the Bible says "Faith cometh by hearing..........the word of God.